priti8888
06-26 01:51 PM
What is america losing?
Lets take a typical example:
My friend and his wife both have jobs here. They pay around $50K-60 income tax (approx) as a couple.
They have 10 yrs of exp. (approx) or have masters degree. They have a decent bit of 401K. And about 30 years of career left. They also have capital investment in India which is growing at a good pace.
Now if even one is forced to go back I am sure both of them will go back to India or wherever they are from. Makes sense?
So what are they losing by going back to India? Some $$$$. Thats all? No debt. no hassle, just semi retirement early enough.
Now think about 100 couples like this?
Now think about 1000 couples like this?
1000* 60 K = $60 million of taxes and social security lost. Who is going to pay the troops in Iraq? Or the USCIS dumbo? Will he have a job to do if we leave?
And if we leave who is going to pay the medical bills of the baby boomer who needs medicare soon?
Lets say, they replace us with younger workers. what will be their salary? 50K or 75K. lets say 80 K. Chances are they are single. If they are married. Will their wife work immediately. If no, they are collecting taxes from him at a married rate while his spouse has no income. If his wife is educated, how long will she want to live on H4? If she doesnt get H1 will they both go back or stay here endlessly? Chickens (americans).
How much tax will they will pay? If they are on F1 EAD, even better, they dont even pay social security.
Of course we lost $$$$ income, but we are not in so much deep shit as US would be if they lose 1000 couples, just 2000 people.
Now lets say we go to India and undergo semi retirement. Fine, US companies maintain competitive advantage and they gain most. But if we decide to continue to excel, can not such 2000 start a formidably competitive business? Who wins? India or USA? Or will they start multiple businesses?
Its about the numbers. If 1 or 2 dont get GC , it doesnt matter. But if thousands are impacted, most of them smart people, it will hurt someone here or many ones.
What have we really asked for in return? Just a piece of plastic that will let us live and contribute like everyone else here.
They have a problem with that too. Bloody morons.
For how many years this game of making people fools will continue? Message spreads fast. I am already telling my junior relative what to expect in America.
I totally agree with you, but think about this.
For every couple who plan to leave, there are 5 couples anxious to replace them. Do you know the % of visas approved vs visa applicants?.The 5 couples could be from anywhere, not just from india where the economy is in good shape.
My point is that America does lose when someone goes back.But the loss is on a very very micro level----and replacement is not that difficult.
Lets take a typical example:
My friend and his wife both have jobs here. They pay around $50K-60 income tax (approx) as a couple.
They have 10 yrs of exp. (approx) or have masters degree. They have a decent bit of 401K. And about 30 years of career left. They also have capital investment in India which is growing at a good pace.
Now if even one is forced to go back I am sure both of them will go back to India or wherever they are from. Makes sense?
So what are they losing by going back to India? Some $$$$. Thats all? No debt. no hassle, just semi retirement early enough.
Now think about 100 couples like this?
Now think about 1000 couples like this?
1000* 60 K = $60 million of taxes and social security lost. Who is going to pay the troops in Iraq? Or the USCIS dumbo? Will he have a job to do if we leave?
And if we leave who is going to pay the medical bills of the baby boomer who needs medicare soon?
Lets say, they replace us with younger workers. what will be their salary? 50K or 75K. lets say 80 K. Chances are they are single. If they are married. Will their wife work immediately. If no, they are collecting taxes from him at a married rate while his spouse has no income. If his wife is educated, how long will she want to live on H4? If she doesnt get H1 will they both go back or stay here endlessly? Chickens (americans).
How much tax will they will pay? If they are on F1 EAD, even better, they dont even pay social security.
Of course we lost $$$$ income, but we are not in so much deep shit as US would be if they lose 1000 couples, just 2000 people.
Now lets say we go to India and undergo semi retirement. Fine, US companies maintain competitive advantage and they gain most. But if we decide to continue to excel, can not such 2000 start a formidably competitive business? Who wins? India or USA? Or will they start multiple businesses?
Its about the numbers. If 1 or 2 dont get GC , it doesnt matter. But if thousands are impacted, most of them smart people, it will hurt someone here or many ones.
What have we really asked for in return? Just a piece of plastic that will let us live and contribute like everyone else here.
They have a problem with that too. Bloody morons.
For how many years this game of making people fools will continue? Message spreads fast. I am already telling my junior relative what to expect in America.
I totally agree with you, but think about this.
For every couple who plan to leave, there are 5 couples anxious to replace them. Do you know the % of visas approved vs visa applicants?.The 5 couples could be from anywhere, not just from india where the economy is in good shape.
My point is that America does lose when someone goes back.But the loss is on a very very micro level----and replacement is not that difficult.
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onemaveric
07-24 04:25 PM
In VA can we extend Driving License with receipt notice of h1 extension .
Hi Virtual55,
I check with one of the DMVs in VA and they are not ready to accept the receipt notice, instead they very clearly are expecting a 797 approval notice.
Let me know if you have any advice to handle this situation.
Thanks
Hi Virtual55,
I check with one of the DMVs in VA and they are not ready to accept the receipt notice, instead they very clearly are expecting a 797 approval notice.
Let me know if you have any advice to handle this situation.
Thanks
bajrangbali
06-11 09:13 AM
I would say fight back against the indirect discrimination against the Indian and Chinese nationals in the employment-based immigration.
If they want us to leave..then so be it..but they should say so directly. All India and Chinese EB immigrants please leave USA. Until that comes out of the US government directly, we can not be forced out through indirect policies.
Here are a few things you can do:
1) Withdraw all the $ you deposited in US banks from savings, checking, CDs and other investment accounts and setup an NRE account with an indian bank and move funds over. If you need you can bring back those funds in a day or two. Leave only bare minimum for your expenses in US banks. This would have an impact of ~$50K X 100K effect.
2) Do not leave the country just because the hopes of greencard are controlled, sqeeze out every $ from your jobs and economy as long as you are here.
3) Spend minimum and buy swadeshi when possible. Lets not give back even 10% of the income we make back into the economy. This is an economic blockade.
USCIS and US government has long harassed Indians in the name of greencard for a longtime and year after year we hear the same BS. Come on people, show some self-respect and fight back.
4) Those who are in foreclosure, stop paying your mortgage, your home is going to get foreclosed anyway.
5) Despite all this...those who still decide to leave to India, max out all your credit cards, leave your car in airport and abandon your home/apt without paying rent/mortgage for the few months before you leave.
TAKE all you can from your hard-lived and harassed lives out of this place before you do decide to move.
I am not keeping more than 5K in any of my US banks starting today. I am also pulling back from my mortgage application for 300K condo. I am determined to sell-off my investments in equities here and begin investing in BSE.
That is the least I could do to peacefully protest against the discrimination against me and my country people.
If they want us to leave..then so be it..but they should say so directly. All India and Chinese EB immigrants please leave USA. Until that comes out of the US government directly, we can not be forced out through indirect policies.
Here are a few things you can do:
1) Withdraw all the $ you deposited in US banks from savings, checking, CDs and other investment accounts and setup an NRE account with an indian bank and move funds over. If you need you can bring back those funds in a day or two. Leave only bare minimum for your expenses in US banks. This would have an impact of ~$50K X 100K effect.
2) Do not leave the country just because the hopes of greencard are controlled, sqeeze out every $ from your jobs and economy as long as you are here.
3) Spend minimum and buy swadeshi when possible. Lets not give back even 10% of the income we make back into the economy. This is an economic blockade.
USCIS and US government has long harassed Indians in the name of greencard for a longtime and year after year we hear the same BS. Come on people, show some self-respect and fight back.
4) Those who are in foreclosure, stop paying your mortgage, your home is going to get foreclosed anyway.
5) Despite all this...those who still decide to leave to India, max out all your credit cards, leave your car in airport and abandon your home/apt without paying rent/mortgage for the few months before you leave.
TAKE all you can from your hard-lived and harassed lives out of this place before you do decide to move.
I am not keeping more than 5K in any of my US banks starting today. I am also pulling back from my mortgage application for 300K condo. I am determined to sell-off my investments in equities here and begin investing in BSE.
That is the least I could do to peacefully protest against the discrimination against me and my country people.
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mariusp
04-14 07:05 AM
Nope and I just filed for my first exension.
but my Licences expires on Sept 2008, So I will I be just getting the extension till Sept 2008 and Not 3 year extension.
That just sounds ridiculous... what does your driver's license have to do with your H1B extension?
It's true that the length of your H1 extension determines the validity of your DL i.e. if you get an extension until 2010 the DMV will only issue a DL valid till 2010, but the opposite is not true, unless we're living in the Twilight Zone.
but my Licences expires on Sept 2008, So I will I be just getting the extension till Sept 2008 and Not 3 year extension.
That just sounds ridiculous... what does your driver's license have to do with your H1B extension?
It's true that the length of your H1 extension determines the validity of your DL i.e. if you get an extension until 2010 the DMV will only issue a DL valid till 2010, but the opposite is not true, unless we're living in the Twilight Zone.
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saimrathi
07-06 01:59 PM
Or Singapore...
How about newzealand?
How about newzealand?
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02-08 03:59 PM
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msp1976
01-10 03:14 PM
Interesting comment.....
I am going back in a few years!..this in Bhoga Bhumi(Land of material pleasures)...my land Bharath is Punya Bhommi(Land of Good Karma).I am heading home no matter what!
I think as much punya is done in this country as there is a quest of bhoga
Every one says that they are going back in a few years...I am yet to meet someone who says they would not go back no matter what...
I am going back in a few years!..this in Bhoga Bhumi(Land of material pleasures)...my land Bharath is Punya Bhommi(Land of Good Karma).I am heading home no matter what!
I think as much punya is done in this country as there is a quest of bhoga
Every one says that they are going back in a few years...I am yet to meet someone who says they would not go back no matter what...
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Milind123
09-13 08:16 PM
I made my first time $100 contribution
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Thank you IV for all your efforts. Keep up the good work.
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Subbbaiah
stalemate: A situation in which further action is blocked.
Subbbaiah, thank you so much for breaking the stalemate.
Need one final one for tonight.
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Subbbaiah
stalemate: A situation in which further action is blocked.
Subbbaiah, thank you so much for breaking the stalemate.
Need one final one for tonight.
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GCOP
08-13 04:01 PM
I believe, as mentioned earlier by willwin; we should meet the congress members to win their support for Visa Recapture Bill. IV is requested to set up the date and meetings. We are ready to participate.
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carbon
08-15 02:04 PM
America has always been a favorite destination for immigrants. In the past, labor jobs were abundant and there were enough immigrants to do those jobs. This mutual dependency contributed to the growth of the United States making it the fastest growing industrial nation in the world. Things have changed, labor immigrants have been replaced by high-tech and skilled immigrants, but two things have not changed. 1. America depends on immigrants to sustain growth and 2. Immigrants come to America to fulfill their dreams. This 300 year old interdependence is very important yet under appreciated by the lawmakers.
Skilled workers of foreign nationality are well educated, creative and ambitious individuals. They act as a �steroid� for the nation. They charge the nation with prosperity and growth. Generally countries depend on their younger generation and hope that they will become highly productive and good citizens contributing to the growth of their nation in future, however only few countries are blessed with the strong stream of immigrants with highly desirable qualities to make progress today, not tomorrow. It seems America is highly blessed in that regard. But unfortunately the lawmakers don�t seem to recognize how fortunate their country. Following facts support my observation:
1. World has entered information and biotech age. India and China has the biggest technological talent pool
waiting to settle down in USA, yet the immigration quota for these countries is locked to extremely small
and fixed number for decades due to half-century old laws. The laws does not take reality into account.
2. In the days of online stock trading, visa processing is still done at extremely slow pace.
3. The positive impact of immigrants has been taken for granted.
4. Immigration is considered a charity rather than an important factor in country�s growth. The attitude is not right.
If such ignorance continues in the United States following will happen:
1. Innovation will slowdown. It has already begun.
2. Technology companies will migrate to India and China.
3. Large scale outsourcing will occur for technological and knowledge based jobs.
4. Stock indexes will move south, as there won�t be many attractive places to invest money. High profits normally come from high growth companies and today�s high growth companies come from technology sector.
5. Tax revenues will decrease, which will affect all government activities including defense and public education.
6. The effects of illegal immigration will become severe as American�s will compete for low wage �blue collar� jobs as a result of outsourcing.
7. Severe retrogression in immigration will not allow skilled workers to settle down or adapt to ever changing skills market. It will hinder the growth of each skilled worker due to lack of long-term planning, long-term investments and developments. These people will not be able to plant the trees that can reap the fruits for generations to come.
8. The effect of not having skilled immigrants in the country will not be zero , but it will be negative and counter-productive as most skilled workers will go back to their home country and instead of contributing to the growth of America , they will compete.
9. National moral level continues to decrease as more American citizens are going into jails than good foreign nationals coming in!
All these effects will be slow in the beginning, but will be visible when it will cross the �tipping point�. A place from where there is no return.
The solution:
Remove the limit on immigration quota for technology professionals for 5 years to solve current retrogression crisis. There after update the quotas (increase or decrease) every year to keep delays constant at 1,2 and 3 years for EB1,EB2 and EB3 categories respectively.
In my view, 5 million well educated and talented legal immigrants are always better for the country than 5 million illegal immigrants. Its better to rely on technology to improve American life style than on illegal immigrants to do cheap labor.
Skilled workers of foreign nationality are well educated, creative and ambitious individuals. They act as a �steroid� for the nation. They charge the nation with prosperity and growth. Generally countries depend on their younger generation and hope that they will become highly productive and good citizens contributing to the growth of their nation in future, however only few countries are blessed with the strong stream of immigrants with highly desirable qualities to make progress today, not tomorrow. It seems America is highly blessed in that regard. But unfortunately the lawmakers don�t seem to recognize how fortunate their country. Following facts support my observation:
1. World has entered information and biotech age. India and China has the biggest technological talent pool
waiting to settle down in USA, yet the immigration quota for these countries is locked to extremely small
and fixed number for decades due to half-century old laws. The laws does not take reality into account.
2. In the days of online stock trading, visa processing is still done at extremely slow pace.
3. The positive impact of immigrants has been taken for granted.
4. Immigration is considered a charity rather than an important factor in country�s growth. The attitude is not right.
If such ignorance continues in the United States following will happen:
1. Innovation will slowdown. It has already begun.
2. Technology companies will migrate to India and China.
3. Large scale outsourcing will occur for technological and knowledge based jobs.
4. Stock indexes will move south, as there won�t be many attractive places to invest money. High profits normally come from high growth companies and today�s high growth companies come from technology sector.
5. Tax revenues will decrease, which will affect all government activities including defense and public education.
6. The effects of illegal immigration will become severe as American�s will compete for low wage �blue collar� jobs as a result of outsourcing.
7. Severe retrogression in immigration will not allow skilled workers to settle down or adapt to ever changing skills market. It will hinder the growth of each skilled worker due to lack of long-term planning, long-term investments and developments. These people will not be able to plant the trees that can reap the fruits for generations to come.
8. The effect of not having skilled immigrants in the country will not be zero , but it will be negative and counter-productive as most skilled workers will go back to their home country and instead of contributing to the growth of America , they will compete.
9. National moral level continues to decrease as more American citizens are going into jails than good foreign nationals coming in!
All these effects will be slow in the beginning, but will be visible when it will cross the �tipping point�. A place from where there is no return.
The solution:
Remove the limit on immigration quota for technology professionals for 5 years to solve current retrogression crisis. There after update the quotas (increase or decrease) every year to keep delays constant at 1,2 and 3 years for EB1,EB2 and EB3 categories respectively.
In my view, 5 million well educated and talented legal immigrants are always better for the country than 5 million illegal immigrants. Its better to rely on technology to improve American life style than on illegal immigrants to do cheap labor.
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gk_2000
04-21 06:26 PM
My hearty congratulations..
Your degree was 3 yr or 4?
I have always been a passive reader of this post and multiple other similar posts. It helped me a lot and I thought sharing my positive porting experience will help/encourage others. Below are details of my long journey
1. Initial labor
a. Filed - July 8 2003 (no masters, no 5 years, Title: Systems Analyst)
b. Approved - August 31 2006
2. EB3 I140 (NSC)
a. Filed - October 11 2006
b. Approved - April 6 2007
3. I485 (NSC)
a. Filed - July 19 2007
b. RFE - April 2009 (Birth Certificate related for me and Medical related for my wife)
4. Perm
a. Same company. By 2011, I was promoted multiple times and currently managing multiple projects. Every H1b that was approved after 2003 clearly showed the growth and the promotion on the job title and salary.
b. Filed - Feb 9 2011 (Progressive growth within the same company, Title: Project Director)
c. Approved - Feb 15 2011
5. EB2 I140 (TSC)
a. Filed - March 9 2011, Premium Processing
b. Approved - March 21 2011 (A# and Priority Date retained)
6. Interfiling
a. March 24 2011 - Created a SR requesting the process I485 using the new EB2 140
b. March 29 2011 - Lawyer sent the official Interfile Request
c. April 5 2011 - Contacted both the senators and congressman. They were very prompt in responding back. Also sent emails to NSCFollowup and EBUpdate.
d. April 7 2011 - Went for an Infopass Appointment (Useless in my opinion)
e. April 14 2011 - Got the magic email at 9:15pm for both me and my wife. One of the happiest days in my life.
f. Waiting on the physical cards to take a long break :)
Wish the very best to everyone else waiting on the GC line.
Your degree was 3 yr or 4?
I have always been a passive reader of this post and multiple other similar posts. It helped me a lot and I thought sharing my positive porting experience will help/encourage others. Below are details of my long journey
1. Initial labor
a. Filed - July 8 2003 (no masters, no 5 years, Title: Systems Analyst)
b. Approved - August 31 2006
2. EB3 I140 (NSC)
a. Filed - October 11 2006
b. Approved - April 6 2007
3. I485 (NSC)
a. Filed - July 19 2007
b. RFE - April 2009 (Birth Certificate related for me and Medical related for my wife)
4. Perm
a. Same company. By 2011, I was promoted multiple times and currently managing multiple projects. Every H1b that was approved after 2003 clearly showed the growth and the promotion on the job title and salary.
b. Filed - Feb 9 2011 (Progressive growth within the same company, Title: Project Director)
c. Approved - Feb 15 2011
5. EB2 I140 (TSC)
a. Filed - March 9 2011, Premium Processing
b. Approved - March 21 2011 (A# and Priority Date retained)
6. Interfiling
a. March 24 2011 - Created a SR requesting the process I485 using the new EB2 140
b. March 29 2011 - Lawyer sent the official Interfile Request
c. April 5 2011 - Contacted both the senators and congressman. They were very prompt in responding back. Also sent emails to NSCFollowup and EBUpdate.
d. April 7 2011 - Went for an Infopass Appointment (Useless in my opinion)
e. April 14 2011 - Got the magic email at 9:15pm for both me and my wife. One of the happiest days in my life.
f. Waiting on the physical cards to take a long break :)
Wish the very best to everyone else waiting on the GC line.
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sri1309
05-06 10:15 PM
Guys,
I was very busy till today.
I'll call all the #s tomorrow and let them know how important is the CIR for legal immigration, and how I am not able to buy a house, or start a company, as I have no greencard inspite of waiting for 8-10 years. Not to forget I am from India and it is severely backlogged. Also we have jobs, so we're not taking away anything.
I have to be very brief. So please let me know if I'm missing any impo point.
I was very busy till today.
I'll call all the #s tomorrow and let them know how important is the CIR for legal immigration, and how I am not able to buy a house, or start a company, as I have no greencard inspite of waiting for 8-10 years. Not to forget I am from India and it is severely backlogged. Also we have jobs, so we're not taking away anything.
I have to be very brief. So please let me know if I'm missing any impo point.
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nojoke
09-05 09:11 PM
I remember that in the early nineties it was next to impossible to get a home loan in India. I think the only company which gave out home loans was HDFC and the interest rate was a whopping 16%. Property prices at that time conformed to what people could actually afford as the house had to be either paid in full or you had to take out a loan from your provident fund.
Fast forward to 2000 and beyond. After the Indian rupee became fully convertible and the banking regulations were relaxed every bank or finance company started to make loans. The upshot of that is that everyone could buy a house and car through taking out loans. This of course created this huge demand for new housing from the middle class which translated into a steep increase in land and property prices.
This may not exactly be a total bubble as loans are there to stay. What is happening though is that home construction is going on at a rapid pace and at some point Indian cities and their suburbs may be overbuilt. At that point you would be stuck with your house and not be able to sell as is happening in the US. Of course some markets will correct but I donot think Bombay, Bangalore or Hyderabad will.
I'm a a total layman regarding such issues and I am just trying to reason this through.
There has been a correction already going on in Bombay and Bangalore. Bombay has lost 30%. It is in the news.
Fast forward to 2000 and beyond. After the Indian rupee became fully convertible and the banking regulations were relaxed every bank or finance company started to make loans. The upshot of that is that everyone could buy a house and car through taking out loans. This of course created this huge demand for new housing from the middle class which translated into a steep increase in land and property prices.
This may not exactly be a total bubble as loans are there to stay. What is happening though is that home construction is going on at a rapid pace and at some point Indian cities and their suburbs may be overbuilt. At that point you would be stuck with your house and not be able to sell as is happening in the US. Of course some markets will correct but I donot think Bombay, Bangalore or Hyderabad will.
I'm a a total layman regarding such issues and I am just trying to reason this through.
There has been a correction already going on in Bombay and Bangalore. Bombay has lost 30%. It is in the news.
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nemadeni
05-02 02:32 PM
I don't see Visas Recapture bill going any where.
It seems USCIS wants to potray that they are doing great job by doing various Process improvements. USCIS indirectly wants to say that eventually USCIS process will be improved to the extent that there will be no Visas wasted.
I think this was the most straight forward and simple bill. Other bills like removing the country limit are more challenging.So I don't see anything happening from immigration point unless democrats take over both senate and House in late 2008.
Hope for any legislative changes only in 2009 and beyond and not in 2008.
It seems USCIS wants to potray that they are doing great job by doing various Process improvements. USCIS indirectly wants to say that eventually USCIS process will be improved to the extent that there will be no Visas wasted.
I think this was the most straight forward and simple bill. Other bills like removing the country limit are more challenging.So I don't see anything happening from immigration point unless democrats take over both senate and House in late 2008.
Hope for any legislative changes only in 2009 and beyond and not in 2008.
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mango_man
06-11 07:21 PM
Just eat mangoes and have fun! GC doesnt taste half as good as Indian mangoes.
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04-30 02:38 PM
What they are discussing .. can some one put something..
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Aah_GC
06-10 10:09 AM
My suggestion - Do your best to support IV - contribute and make those calls. Rest: Leave it to the man above - and move on with your priorities.
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mirage
03-31 12:40 PM
They are wasting EB visas every year giving reasoning they were too busy putting up a crying face saying we got bombarded with this application and those applications, they are screwing up our Travel plans by not Issuing AP documents in time, they are screwing our jobs by not issuing our EADs in time. I am telling you the biggest villian in all the mess we are in is USCIS and you are telling me there's no point to discuss this ??????
:)I am sorry but i think there is no point to discuss this concern whether USCIS has ability or not..... Just support IV, group 2gather and fight....
:)I am sorry but i think there is no point to discuss this concern whether USCIS has ability or not..... Just support IV, group 2gather and fight....
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